Gaian and Extropian

Gaians and Extropians (aka Transhumanists) may constitute two great divergancies in the vision of future human development

On the one hand, Gaians aim at recognition of the complex of nested selves which is Gaia, at harmonizing themselves with the unlimited potential of Gaian life for creative development, and at a future in which we discover ourselves in a profound way as part of this being, and derive our sense of identity and meaning therein.

On the other hand, Extropians seem aimed at a future in which humans devour and transform this planet to their own creations, then leave it to continue this activity throughout the universe, probably as minds uploaded to self replicating cyborgs.

I suspect this Extropian vision has much to do with the 'use it up and move on' attitude that has brought us to our present condition.

Is what is offered by the Extropians really nothing more than an infinite extension of the wilderness frontier, thus allowing us to continue the same destructive pattern of activity for all time?
S.Miller

Anders Sandberg Responds:

I agree that there is a big difference in values between gaians and extropians; Jaron Lanier called it the Steward/Extropian division and Hugo de Garis the Terrestrialist/Cosmist views. The fundamental difference seems to be about whether we should preserve what we got as it is or if we should try to make it better. I don't expect it to be possible to reconcile these different values, and instead hope they can co-exist (if necessary by having the extropians go into space or something similar).

However, I think you are misrepresenting the extropian position (which in turn leads to an even stronger polarization as extropians decide gaians are polemic tree-huggers and so on). While there certainly are 'use it up and move on' extropians, they appear to be a small minority (just as I expect 'mankind is a disease that must be purged' gaians to be a small minority). In fact, the extropian mindset clearly values life and complexity; a biosphere is the embodiment of extropy! There is extropian environmentalism seeking to preserve what can be preserved of the rainforests, there have been elaborate discussions of how to spread life across the universe and let it evolve on its own with minimal (post)human interaction.

Anders
http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/

Anders sends the following references:

Re the rainforest project (BioArchive), see the Extropian Environmentalist page at http://www.extropy.com/BioArchive/

There are also some texts about the Extropian views on the environment at
http://users.aol.com/gburch1/exenv.html
http://www.extropy.com/faq/environ.html

The discussions about spreading life can likely be found in the depths of the archives of the extropian and transhuman lists, if you can find them: http://www.lucifer.com/exi-lists/
http://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~alexboko/mlist.html

See also the synopsis of _Bringing Life_ to the Stars by David Duemler at http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Cultural/Philosophy/bring.txt, the First Millennial Foundation (http://www.millennial.org/) and the writings of Freeman Dyson for more about spreading life across the universe.

I'm currently writing up a small essay about how the solar system could look in a few thousand years; I'll get back later when it is finished.
Anders

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Anders! Imagine that you do opt to colonize space, I mean you personally also, in say, 25 years, and along with the rest of the extropian tendency, leave the planet to the "stewards", the "terrestrialists", Gaians, whatever... which I think might be a good scenario, but when you are sitting there in your capsule, breathing bottled air, on some bizarro, forlorn moon somewhere, aren't you going to dream of the green hills of earth, the bluecrystal seashores, the smell of the early morning air?

-steve@gaialounge.com



Edward O Wilson in an interview in Atlantic Monthly:

"Probably, during the coming century -- which I like to call the "century of the environment" -- we'll realize that we have to put our house in order, that we have to bring the populations in balance with the resources of the world and the physical environment of the world. We will, I hope, reduce the number of scientific and technological prostheses that we depend on from one week to the next in order to keep civilization from collapsing. As human populations decline, moving down to more sustainable levels, there will be more room for open space, wilderness, and the continued existence of the natural flora and fauna of the world -- and this will allow us to preserve the diversity of life and even let it grow back. From that diversity we will be able to draw immense amounts of knowledge and pleasure in perpetuity. And it will keep humanity's options open. Our brains, I am convinced, did not evolve to be confined to urban life and virtual reality, however ingeniously contrived.

I think we'll be moving toward more and more scientific and technological sophistication, but I doubt if we'll seriously devote much time to something like space colonization, for example. The sophistication will probably go more toward the miniaturization of our technology and the increasingly efficient use of energy systems. That is an equally challenging goal, and the one necessary for human survival.

We can't predict what political systems we will end up with, whether continuing as nation-tribes or one world. No one can predict that. But certainly the future of science and the creative arts is without limit. And I emphasize that latter part, because one of the scenarios that people fear most is human stagnation. I don't think stagnation is in the books, even if we confine ourselves for a few more centuries to this planet. "- E.O.Wilson


Here are some sources for Extropian ideas:

THE EXTROPIAN PRINCIPLES 2.5

(Full v. 2.5 appears in Extropy #11, 2nd Half 1993)

BOUNDLESS EXPANSION: Seeking more intelligence, wisdom, and effectiveness, an unlimited lifespan, and the removal of political, cultural, biological, and psychological limits to self-actualization and self-realization. Perpetually overcoming constraints on our progress and possibilities. Expanding into the universe and advancing without end.

SELF-TRANSFORMATION: Affirming continual psychological, intellectual, and physical self-improvement, through reason and critical thinking, personal responsibility, and experimentation. Seeking biological and neurological augmentation.

DYNAMIC OPTIMISM: Positive expectations fueling dynamic action. Adopting a rational, action-based optimism, shunning both blind faith and stagnant pessimism.

INTELLIGENT TECHNOLOGY: Applying science and technology creatively to transcend "natural" limits imposed by our biological heritage, culture, and environment.

SPONTANEOUS ORDER: Supporting decentralized, voluntaristic social coordination processes. Fostering tolerance, diversity, foresight, personal responsibility and individual liberty.

EXTROPIANISM is a transhumanist philosophy: Like humanism, it values reason and humanity and sees no grounds for belief in unknowable, supernatural forces externally controlling our destiny, but transhumanism goes further in urging us to push beyond the merely human stage of evolution. As physicist Freeman Dyson has said: "Humanity looks to me like a magnificent beginning but not the final word."

(Full v. 2.5 appears in Extropy #11, 2nd Half 1993)


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